getting LOST w Jackie...

End-o-day be-boppin on this week's LOST with Jackie...

Friday, March 3, 2006

4:15:45 PM jackie: ok so another topic
4:15:54 PM jackie: sort of brazen of me but i am going to throw it out there
4:16:02 PM cabinboy: braze away
4:16:09 PM jackie: i think this weeks ep of lost was one of the most important YET
4:16:17 PM jackie: jill was all, whoa
4:16:21 PM jackie: when i said that to her
4:16:37 PM jackie: did you watch it?
4:16:53 PM cabinboy: yup i saw it
4:17:04 PM jackie: the others are a goddam farce!
4:17:12 PM cabinboy: yeah, frickin annoying
4:17:22 PM jackie: seriously? wtf????
4:17:33 PM jackie: scary pirate man?
4:17:43 PM jackie: not so scary when he is all LL Bean'ed out and showered up
4:18:01 PM jackie: i feel used
4:18:02 PM cabinboy: i gotta say tho, as annoyed as i am for being duped
4:18:11 PM cabinboy: it was neat seeing scary pirate all clean shaven
4:18:14 PM jackie: oh totes
4:18:15 PM jackie: but still
4:18:24 PM cabinboy: i'm really kinda angry at myself for gettin sucked in like that
4:18:26 PM jackie: i was mad for some reason
4:18:28 PM jackie: ha
4:18:30 PM cabinboy: =)
4:18:41 PM cabinboy: yeah, well, it's a pretty high order hoax played on us
4:18:41 PM jackie: i was all out scared of the frickin guy
4:19:00 PM jackie: i am like some dumbdumb kid on halloween scared of a man in a costume
4:19:07 PM cabinboy: interesting tho, that kate keeps that to herself - it's hard to remember exactly who of the group knows how much sometimes
4:19:10 PM cabinboy: haha
4:19:16 PM cabinboy: yeah, true
4:19:19 PM cabinboy: an actOR
4:19:22 PM jackie: yes that is where this is gonna get interesting
4:19:26 PM jackie: what they bring back to the group
4:19:32 PM jackie: what claire does
4:19:36 PM jackie: or actually you know what?
4:19:36 PM cabinboy: kinda sad, Rousseau
4:19:40 PM jackie: claire has never seen scary pirate man
4:19:45 PM cabinboy: ha, right
4:19:45 PM jackie: oh but kate has
4:19:46 PM jackie: crap
4:19:47 PM jackie: sorry
4:19:55 PM jackie: so she knows the beard, blah blah
4:20:00 PM cabinboy: yeah, kate would recognize the beard for what it is
4:20:00 PM jackie: i am getting too excited
4:20:02 PM jackie: yeah
4:20:21 PM jackie: oh i really felt bad for her
4:20:33 PM cabinboy: interesting that they left that there, but makes sense, too, cuz they couldn't know that claire would go all repressed memories
4:20:34 PM jackie: but at the same time claire gave her some comfort
4:20:39 PM jackie: her daughter is ALIVE
4:20:48 PM jackie: yeah exactly
4:20:59 PM cabinboy: they probably exPECTed them to find the place within a day or so of her escape - yeah Rousseau's daughter being alive is pretty neat
4:21:02 PM jackie: they left very select items tho
4:21:08 PM jackie: the bootie
4:21:25 PM jackie: see that kind of thing, something a mother made for a child, could almost TRIGGER memories
4:21:26 PM cabinboy: the savage costumes and the box of props...
4:21:30 PM jackie: like maybe thy want her to remember
4:21:33 PM cabinboy: ah, the bootie
4:21:35 PM jackie: lol
4:22:22 PM cabinboy: i wanted more weird dharma stuff
4:22:27 PM jackie: oh yeah
4:22:32 PM jackie: well we saw the insignia a few times
4:22:33 PM cabinboy: that f'd up alarm sound
4:22:38 PM jackie: yeah, experiement stuff
4:22:47 PM cabinboy: yeah, i was hoping for a SYMBOL like when the clock went to 00000
4:22:53 PM jackie: oh geeze
4:23:03 PM jackie: i don't know if i could have handled that last night
4:23:04 PM jackie: too much at once
4:23:07 PM cabinboy: haha
4:23:08 PM jackie: i mean i am only human
4:23:13 PM cabinboy: are you? are you REALLY?
4:23:16 PM jackie: ha
4:23:31 PM cabinboy: as you rip off your beard
4:23:35 PM cabinboy: oh wait, you don't have a beard
4:23:37 PM cabinboy: scratch that
4:23:50 PM jackie: muahahahahahaha
4:23:51 PM jackie: evil laugh
4:23:55 PM cabinboy: hahahaha =)
4:24:43 PM cabinboy: some stuff... maybe important, maybe just consistency...
4:24:56 PM jackie: k
4:24:57 PM cabinboy: that pirate guy scolds ethon for not bringing a LIST before bringing in claire
4:24:58 PM jackie: bring it
4:25:04 PM jackie: hmm
4:25:07 PM jackie: the manifest?
4:25:12 PM cabinboy: presumably the list of "good people"
4:25:13 PM jackie: or the list that the other other had to take the children
4:25:16 PM jackie: ah ok
4:25:31 PM cabinboy: which is what someone tells the tailies the Others are after - that's who they kidnapped the first night - the Good ones
4:25:48 PM cabinboy: that flashed thru my head when Mr. Echo goes to confess to the prisoner guy
4:25:54 PM jackie: oh yeah
4:26:14 PM cabinboy: the Mr. Echo is supposedly one of the Good ones... innocent? pure? genetically special?
4:26:22 PM jackie: wait so this would have been a separate list - good ones from jack's crew?
4:26:31 PM jackie: um, genetically is a stretch i think
4:26:34 PM cabinboy: yeah, that's what i'm guessing from what we've seen
4:26:43 PM jackie: but yes, he is the embodiment of rightousness
4:26:45 PM cabinboy: altho, they knew who was good and not good by the first night w the tailes
4:26:59 PM jackie: yeah well that camp was infiltrated first
4:27:03 PM jackie: right at the crash
4:27:09 PM cabinboy: but then, after watching the pilot last week - jack's crew was busy w the beast the first night
4:27:10 PM jackie: by that man with the vest
4:27:13 PM jackie: oh yeah
4:27:16 PM jackie: OH YEAH
4:27:17 PM jackie: hmmm
4:27:29 PM cabinboy: so the Others and the beast aren't in the same place at the same time
4:27:46 PM cabinboy: apparently
4:28:03 PM jackie: omg
4:28:11 PM jackie: that could speak volumes
4:28:17 PM jackie: in theory
4:28:34 PM cabinboy: hrmm.... you ever see FORBIDDEN PLANET?
4:28:39 PM cabinboy: old school scifi flick
4:28:42 PM jackie: nope
4:29:07 PM cabinboy: a scientist is stranded on a planet with a lot of ancient alien hardware
4:29:19 PM jackie: ok
4:29:23 PM cabinboy: and he learns out to use it and enhance his mind
4:29:29 PM cabinboy: unlocking parts of it tha thumans can't usually access
4:29:53 PM cabinboy: and it helps him survive on the planet, making him smarter and able to bring a garden forth from a desert, and learn more about the other technology
4:30:01 PM jackie: ok
4:30:03 PM cabinboy: however, it also gives shape to his subconscious, apparently without his knowing
4:30:48 PM cabinboy: and when other humans arrive, all these beneath the surface emotions are fed into this
4:30:53 PM cabinboy: creating a monster
4:31:14 PM cabinboy: the scientist has a daughter, and the new humans are all studly guys
4:31:25 PM cabinboy: so there's all kindsa conflict and protection and territory stuff goin on there
4:32:02 PM cabinboy: i wonder about the inky cloud being a manifestation of the subsonscious someone, or several someones - children?
4:32:14 PM jackie: wait when the new ppl arrive they feed his altered subconcious?
4:32:51 PM cabinboy: you hafta use the machine to affect the creature
4:32:57 PM jackie: ah
4:33:16 PM cabinboy: but the scientist prevents them from using it - presumably, if they did, they could create or change the "attitude" of the creature
4:33:42 PM jackie: so is scary pirate man AWARE of the inky black thing,
4:33:48 PM jackie: and perhaps trying to protect it?
4:33:50 PM cabinboy: i just feel like so much of what happens on the island is a wish fulfillment thing
4:34:07 PM cabinboy: dreams, or subconscious desires or fears, made real
4:34:32 PM cabinboy: yeah, pirate guy and crew... they've got some kind of connection...
4:34:35 PM jackie: ok so wait then - what is the 'infection' that has been discussed
4:34:45 PM cabinboy: maybe they need to appease it with kids' brains
4:34:48 PM jackie: losing ownership of all those fears and dreams
4:35:36 PM jackie: because kids' brains are the most concentrated form of 'purity'
4:35:52 PM cabinboy: rousseau's "infection".... i dunno... she seems to think claire's baby really is infected somehow, physically sick, right?
4:36:07 PM cabinboy: yeah, they might keep it calm somehow
4:36:11 PM jackie: well her crew mates that she had to kill went stir crazy
4:36:16 PM cabinboy: oh, right
4:36:18 PM jackie: it was a mental thing
4:36:25 PM cabinboy: so they couldn't tell the difference between real and not real
4:36:29 PM jackie: well,
4:36:33 PM cabinboy: perhaps
4:36:36 PM jackie: actually maybe
4:36:42 PM jackie: if they start seeing their personal fears
4:36:57 PM jackie: if that thing manifests in diff forms for diff ppl
4:36:59 PM cabinboy: they became dangerous - paranoid, maybe - i mean, rousseau might be called that too, but she got to the guns first
4:37:18 PM cabinboy: maybe her worst fear was her crew going crazy
4:37:22 PM jackie: omg
4:37:23 PM jackie: nice
4:37:24 PM cabinboy: and losing her baby
4:37:29 PM jackie: oh shit and she made that come true
4:37:48 PM jackie: well claire's worst fear now is being separated from that baby
4:37:50 PM cabinboy: which makes me wonder - what if someone WANTS the others to be a sham
4:38:06 PM cabinboy: and those "costumes" sorta materialized in those lockers to make it real
4:38:09 PM jackie: jack wants them to be so that sayid is wrong with henry gale
4:38:14 PM cabinboy: ahhh
4:38:26 PM cabinboy: but damn, gale IS a manipulating sombich
4:38:29 PM jackie: but those costumes are tangible
4:38:45 PM jackie: i mean, when we were talking about that black horse and kate
4:39:06 PM jackie: that could have been some sort of apparition
4:39:12 PM cabinboy: yeah... there are real, physical manifestations - Walt's a "special" boy -
4:39:12 PM jackie: but i feel like that was diff
4:39:18 PM jackie: exactly
4:39:58 PM cabinboy: it's interesting tho - pay attention to how often you see a person's eye close-up, just opening, waking, perhaps
4:40:05 PM cabinboy: and maybe the pupil dialates
4:40:05 PM jackie: ok let's back up for like half a second here
4:40:09 PM cabinboy: dunno if it happens all the time
4:40:10 PM cabinboy: okay
4:40:28 PM jackie: WHY would scary pirate man want them to be viewed as a tribe of dirty people in tattered clothes
4:40:40 PM jackie: to mask the sophistication of the effort?
4:41:03 PM jackie: i mean, out on the boat when they took walth
4:41:04 PM cabinboy: hrmm... yeah, to make the castaways think they're not that technological
4:41:05 PM jackie: -h
4:41:18 PM jackie: so this brings this whole thing back to SCIENCE
4:41:22 PM jackie: and not the paranormal
4:41:31 PM cabinboy: not necessarily mutually exclusive
4:41:36 PM jackie: i think that is why i was disappointed
4:41:38 PM jackie: eh true
4:41:46 PM cabinboy: what dharma was working on - could be esp type research
4:41:47 PM jackie: science trying to harness/appease the paranomral
4:42:21 PM cabinboy: or who knows, some f'd up teleporter (altho that doesn't FEEL like the LOST universe) that opens a gate to somewhere other than our dimension
4:42:34 PM cabinboy: there's some quirky fringe science out there
4:43:13 PM cabinboy: i can't remember the terms and language, but some scientific types have pretty recently come up with a notion that there is code, like programming, that defines the universe we experience
4:43:23 PM cabinboy: and hypothesize that it could be possible to re-write that code
4:43:36 PM jackie: so the lost island is a playground for that?
4:43:36 PM cabinboy: what that technology looks like - no idea
4:43:43 PM cabinboy: could very well be
4:44:06 PM cabinboy: i mean, that kind of thing could change the laws of physics in a confined area
4:44:56 PM jackie: oh totally
4:45:05 PM jackie: so they really are mice
4:45:06 PM jackie: lab mice
4:46:08 PM cabinboy: i think that dreams and dreaming are important to what's going on
4:46:15 PM cabinboy: almost guaranteed I think, when any of the characters gets tired, stuff happens, or they "see" something
4:46:30 PM jackie: dreams are the subconcsious, which is an extension of ourselves
4:46:40 PM cabinboy: or maybe not just tired, but in altered state, sleepy, shock
4:46:48 PM cabinboy: kate sees the horse
4:46:51 PM cabinboy: jack sees his dad
4:47:28 PM cabinboy: shannon sees walt, but maybe walt was actually reaching out
4:47:34 PM jackie: they gave claire something that made her permanently in that sate
4:47:35 PM jackie: state
4:48:00 PM cabinboy: yeah, that was pretty f'd up - her being all pleased as punch with ethon
4:48:09 PM jackie: yeah felt dirty
4:48:15 PM cabinboy: ha- totally!
4:48:31 PM jackie: but they created that comfort
4:48:52 PM cabinboy: and hey - wish fulfillment - maybe the island reached back in time and MADE echo's brother's plane crash there after echo got to the island
4:49:00 PM jackie: oh crap
4:49:15 PM cabinboy: and w charlie there - the heroin - two birds one stone
4:49:20 PM jackie: well the other thing with the plane is i am thinking of the heroin as charlies manifestation of his biggest fear
4:49:23 PM jackie: being a junkie
4:49:29 PM cabinboy: totally
4:49:30 PM jackie: oh crap we are totally on the same page with that
4:49:33 PM cabinboy: these personal challenges
4:49:36 PM cabinboy: locke seems to believe it
4:49:40 PM cabinboy: that the island will provide
4:49:43 PM cabinboy: the island will tell them what to do
4:49:45 PM jackie: that is an example of the intertwined nature of the experieces too
4:50:14 PM cabinboy: i was pretty amazed at sawyer meeting jack's dad in that bar in australia
4:50:27 PM jackie: oh i am amazed at all of them
4:50:28 PM cabinboy: jack gets to hear what he needs to hear
4:50:42 PM jackie: oh yeah thats true - that fulfilled something for him
4:50:51 PM cabinboy: and sawyer's the agent of it
4:50:52 PM jackie: more powerful than the other near encounters
4:50:58 PM jackie: but they are always at odds
4:51:41 PM cabinboy: made it more powerful i think - amazing intertwining
4:51:50 PM cabinboy: what up w DESMOND?
4:51:55 PM jackie: where the f is he?
4:51:57 PM cabinboy: did the island reach back and pull him in?
4:52:05 PM jackie: yeah, extract him from the experiment
4:52:33 PM cabinboy: ah, frack - phone brb